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<div>Think of the component as mostly intended for “unit-testing” - with an “arbitrary” definition of the polarisation, e.g. with a partly polarised set of neutron rays arrive from another simulation package.</div>
<div>( I’ve taken the liberty of adding Erik in cc: - he might have other insights or thoughts to add - pol in McStas was mostly his work in fact. ;-) )</div>
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<div>And I absolutely agree that most polarised simulations would start by introduction of e.g. Pol_guide_vmirror, Pol_mirror or some other polariser. In that sense there is no other reason to include such a the Set_pol component other than showing that “this
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<div>To illustrate that both models of describing an unpolarised beam is indeed working, please have a look at the test instrument Test_Pol_mirror.instr. (I think Pol_mirror received the same edit a longer time ago and should be in functional order in your
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<div>you can check that the net polarisation after the mirror is the same if “rays start unpolarised” (polarize=0) and “rays start polarised, but with average polarisation 0” (polarize=1), see attached screenshots comparing reflected and transmitted polarisation
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<div>Best and hope this makes better sense?</div>
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<div>Thanks for quick answer! </div>
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<div>Can you elaborate a bit more on a situation where this component is useful? I understand what you are saying, but still can’t get why would I want this? For example, if I have an ideal polarizer, normally it would just set P=1 for every trajectory in the
unpolarized beam. With spin_random I would lose half of all trajectories after such a polarizer.</div>
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<div>My general feeling is that trajectories were never meant to be identified as real neutrons, so I’m struggling to understand the rationale behind this component.</div>
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<div>I’m running 3.5.24, I will check the fix, thanks!</div>
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<div>Can you explain me the intended use of Spin_random component? What are the benefits of assigning polarization to trajectories before the polarizer?
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<div>The component was mainly added to allow defining an “unpolarised beam” at the “full beam level” (i.e. with a set polarisation pr. ray but a net 0 polarisation) to allow comparing with all rays having sx=sy=sz=0 (i.e. with each ray unpolarised).</div>
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<div>We have recently made a fix to that component (i.e. ~ 1 month ago) that I would think rectifies this problem - see <a href="https://github.com/mccode-dev/McCode/commit/55e3989eb05150a7671523749f30dd462e19b266">https://github.com/mccode-dev/McCode/commit/55e3989eb05150a7671523749f30dd462e19b266</a>. </div>
<div>The logic is that a given polariser / analyser defines a definition of “up/down”, meaning post to “measurement” the other components should be put to zero.</div>
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<div>How recent a version are you running? Chances are that 3.5.25 (which is only on conda-forge at the moment) would fix this.</div>
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<div>Otherwise stay tuned for 3.5.26 that I can promote to become a “full” release including .deb packages, Windows installer etc.</div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; display: inline !important;">Department
of</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; display: inline !important;"> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; display: inline !important;">Physics</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; display: inline !important;">Fysikvej</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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307</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; display: inline !important;">DK-2800
Kongens Lyngby</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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office at</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; display: inline !important;"> </span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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DMSC</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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305</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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Kongens Lyngby</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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+45 2125 4612</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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+45 4593 2399</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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